12 | Pete Scazzero on Emotionally Healthy Success
September 17, 2026
In this episode, David Kinnaman and Ashley LaLonde sit down with Pete Scazzero, pastor, bestselling author, and co-founder of Emotionally Healthy Discipleship, to explore new Barna data on pastoral flourishing—including that pastors score just 67 out of 100 on relational well-being, far below practicing Christians at 85. Together, they unpack why "spaciousness" is the missing ingredient in most leaders' lives, where the church's broken definition of success came from over the last 50 years, and the new scorecard Pete spent three and a half years building—one that measures whether leaders are being before they do, and whether they're creating the conditions for God to move.Episode Links
- Get Pete Scazzero's new book, Emotionally Healthy Success.
- Explore Emotionally Healthy Discipleship.
- Download the free 10 Trends Shaping Faith, Culture & the Future of the Church report from Barna and Gloo.
- Watch this episode on Barna's YouTube Channel.
- View all Faith and Culture Report podcast episodes on our podcast page.
