The Resilient Pastor Podcast

Join pastor and Barna Senior fellow, Dr. Glenn Packiam, as he invites leaders to think out loud together about the challenges and opportunities of church leadership in a rapidly changing world. In each episode, he will highlight a key bit of Barna data or an insight into the challenges pastors are facing. Then, he’ll host a conversation with a pastor, church leader, thinker or theologian about the health of the pastor, the state of the church and what it looks like to love well and lead faithfully.

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Trailer: Introducing the Resilient Pastor Podcast

Welcome to the Resilient Pastor podcast! In this short trailer, Dr. Glenn Packiam (pastor and Barna Senior fellow) invites leaders to join him as he hosts conversations about the challenges and opportunities of church leadership in a rapidly changing world.

Episode 1: Rich Villodas on Pastoral Burnout, Differentiation & the Understanding Trauma

In this first episode, Rich Villodas (Pastor of New Life Fellowship) joins host Glenn Packiam to talk about pastoral health and the effects of trauma. Together, they discuss setting healthy boundaries as a pastor, how the Church can grow in trauma awareness and why the health of the pastor is vital for the well-being of the broader church community.

Episode 2: Tara Beth Leach on Leading through Grief & Suffering

Tara Beth Leach (pastor, preacher, writer) joins host Glenn Packiam to share about leading through personal loss and grief, finding hope in the local church and her encouragement for women leading in ministry.

Episode 3: Steve Cuss on Leadership Anxiety, Counseling & Pastoral Relationships

Steve Cuss (author, consultant) sits down with Glenn Packiam to discuss the challenges of cultivating close friendships as a pastor, encouragement for leaders addressing their own mental health and why loneliness is a systemic issue for many pastors.

Episode 4: Joy Clarkson on Rethinking Happiness & Finding Better Metaphors for Your Life

Dr. Joy Clarkson (author and theologian) joins host Glenn Packiam to discuss a new definition of happiness for believers, how we understand our limitations through the metaphors we choose and the importance of accepting your circumstances as a leader.

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Episode 5: Sean Palmer on Preaching, the Enneagram & the Pastor’s Soul

Sean Palmer (Teaching Pastor at Ecclesia Houston) talks with Glenn Packiam about the important role of preaching in a pastor’s calling and vocation. Together, they explore how sermons are tied to a pastor’s sense of identity, the role of the Enneagram in leadership development and some practical advice for today’s young preachers.

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Episode 6: Jay Y. Kim on Digital Church & Discipleship

Jay Kim (pastor at WestGate Church) sits down with Glenn Packiam to discuss digital platforms as a new doorway for churches, how online spaces shape Christian’s spiritual formation and redemptive ways for leaders to engage in social media.

Episode 7: Ashlee Eiland on Team Leadership & Transitions

Ashlee Eiland (pastor and writer) joins Glenn Packiam to talk about how she stays grounded in seasons of transition, what she has learned about co-leading a church and key takeaways on delegating responsibilities in challenging seasons.

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Episode 8: Sharon Hodde Miller on Leading in a Culture of Control & Anxiety

Sharon Hodde Miller (teaching pastor, author) sits down with Glenn Packiam to talk about managing the anxiety of the people you are leading, differentiating between agency and control and the challenges she has faced leading through the pandemic.

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Episode 9: Ruth Haley Barton on Rhythms of Work & Rest

Ruth Haley Barton (author and founder of the Transforming Center) joins Glenn Packiam to discuss the transformative practice of sabbath, how technology disrupts our ability to rest and the deep inner-work of taking a sabbatical.

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Episode 10: Scott Sauls on Chasing Unity and Leading with Vulnerability

Scott Sauls (Senior Pastor of Christ Presbyterian Church in Nashville, TN) joins Glenn Packiam to share how he’s preached on his own journey with mental health, the prophetic shift he’s seeing in public dialogue and practical ways for leaders to shepherd their people well through challenging seasons.

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Bonus Episode: Q&A with Glenn Packiam

In this summer bonus episode, Glenn Packiam sits down to answer listener questions around navigating political tensions in your congregation, walking with younger generations who are deconstructing and entering ministry at a later age.

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